Having said that, just as in the world of religion, I too believe God will inspire good men. However, we are not just supposed to be good men. We are to strive for that order set up and ordained under Adam and Christ. I just cannot be content with the current system when I know there is another.
Not that we have to completely throw off the current system and try a new. I am definitely a believer in working through the system as opposed to it. But, how can I possibly think this is the way God will do it when that is not the way he restored the gospel? He did not go through another church.
Well, then again he did. We know that the great upheaval and torment in religious tides only seemed to ferment Joseph’s mind more caldron like than anything else. He even admits he thought the Methodist religion was most like what he sought. So it was through organized religion that things were prepared.
So too, I try to look for those principles which are given to us whereby government is to be founded. As far as I can see, I do not know of a government founded upon these principles. For what to do about this, all I can do is hope. After all, these principles have already been restored in these latter days. It is just a matter of when the Lord decrees that the kingdom will come out of the wilderness. What a glorious day that will be!
Perhaps I am too hopeful or something. Sometimes what I think seems so foreign to the current way we live that I wonder if I haven’t fallen off my rocker.
Most assuredly the United States has a foundation which is inspired. I am more prone to think that the principles of the Constitution are inspired, rather than the actual set up of the government. While the set up helps to safeguard the principles, it is easily seen that other governments can be just as enduring. Britain still has us beat by at least 500 years if you are looking only at our form of government and a form of democracy. Don’t forget we have been taught the Magna Carta was inspired. Never mind all that though, the Lord has still decreed a consummated end of all nations. Even our current beloved nation will some day give way to the Kingdom of God. But alas, the real question is how will these things come to be? Will it be through, or completely separate? I think it will be separate. After all, can you put new wine in old bottles. It just doesn’t work.
As for the current system, I tend to think that the nation could have progressed and improved far beyond where we could be. However, at some point we started to rest upon our laurels, and are at a slipping point. Perhaps even past that teetering point. Who knows, I don’t stand on a watch tower.
When it comes to the Latter-day Saint position on some topics, particularly the redemption of Zion, the law of consecration, redeeming of Zion, and our position towards government; I wonder if 1 Sam 8 doesn’t apply to a certain degree.
(3) “And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment.” We are warned again and again on debt. Far too many of us worry about money rather than the kingdom. I know I fight it constantly. (5) “And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and they sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.” The cry is often now that we must look to other nations in how they do things. We must follow their lead. Rather than looking to God, the revealed word, we worry about what others are doing. We want socialized medicine like they have. We want to bond and live in debt like they do. We want to have luxury and raise the income of all. We want to live up to the Jones’ not for the sake of keeping gain, but so we can intimidate them into not getting more. What a hoax. We keep comparing ourselves to others, rather than living as we know we should. (7) “And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.” The Lord comes right out and tells the leaders to follow what the people want. After all, they are following themselves. They don’t care about what the Lord is doing, so why is he going to fight it. Let them have their debt. Let them have their battles and seeking out wars. Let them lull themselves into carnal security. Let them think they are better than other nations because they have power or wealth. Let them go a whoring (one of my favorite Jeremiah lines) after other nations and forget their own. (8) “According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.”
Let them go. The Lord understand what they desire, and he lets us have according to our desires. (9) “Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.” Samuel takes all the different vices that will come upon the people. Just as Joseph, Brigham, John, Wilford and the prophets have warned us since. And now that we see it coming upon us, because of our falling from the Lord, we think that a great return will happen? That isn’t what happens every single incident I can think of in the scriptures. The whole government has to be rebuilt from scratch. The one rises while the other falls. That is all I can think of in history too. Somehow his phenomenon that we can give birth to another just doesn’t seem to jive with history. (18) “And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day. Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us; That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles. And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and herehearsed them in the ears of the Lord, And the Lord said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.”
So, after the incident of Samuel, leading to the great gains and losses, especially with the likes of Saul, David, and Solomon. Even this past weeks lesson was about Solomon; Man of Wisdom, Man of Foolishness. For all the good Solomon did, he also got the Israelites into most of the wickedness that Samuel warned about. It was all because of the breaking point with Samuel and going to a king. The Lord still lead them to some degree when David, Saul, and others were fervently trying to give heed. But you know the record, the prophets fall further and further into the background. I remember as a kid, somehow I thought Saul, David, and Solomon were the prophets of their day. Ha, what a false statement.
So, concerning whether the President is inspired or not. I believe when he is diligently seeking out the inspiration of the Lord, that he can be inspired. Just as David and Solomon were. However, for every good that he does, and is even inspired to, there were many wrongs in the background that only continued the nation to destruction. It came right after Solomon’s rule. Again, the President doesn’t have authority, and while inspired, will not change the order of things.
I agree, anyone in their position cannot be a usurper. But without the authority, we cannot expect that the order will work for long.
You comment about you don’t know anyone that is trying to determine the righteousness of nations. A big famous quote comes to mind about the axis of evil. That is calling nations evil, judging them, and we put them as bad, while we are on the other. I definitely think there is a judgment which the current administration seems to operate. Again, I don’t know if the scripture relates in all things or not, but if it does, we sure are in trouble. Anyhow, I think that will close for now. I hope I don’t come off too direct. Just rolling through some thoughts. I greatly appreciate your thoughts and look forward to your response.